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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MLR: Doesn&#039;t sound like dorkitude to me! That sounds like the start of a fine young entrepreneur, one who some day will be a rich old entrepreneur. 

@ frugalscholar: I wish! M&#039;hijito and his roommate actually started to paint the house. Then they discovered that painting a house is...well, &lt;i&gt;work&lt;/i&gt;. They also decided they didn&#039;t like the color. So the back porch has been San Francisco Bay Bridge Red for the past two years, the front windows have had unpainted white caulking gracing the mullions, and the decrepit paint everywhere else has grown steadily more decrepit. 

The neighborhood is not going to turn around and we are not going to get rightside-up again if properties deteriorate. Even the place on the corner that&#039;s been in foreclosure three times since we bought our house is decently maintained. Most of the houses are adequately cared for, with just a couple of exceptions. One of the exceptions has been our place. It was a wreck when we bought it; we&#039;ve managed to renovate the interior, and now we need to make it look at least acceptable on the outside. I figure I&#039;d better get as much done as we can while I still have an income, because once I&#039;m &quot;retired,&quot; there won&#039;t be any money for upgrades to that place. 

M&#039;hijito is paying half the bill for the painter and the locksmith. That will allow me to pay my part out of cash flow. What we&#039;re going to do about the landscaping remains to be seen....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MLR: Doesn&#8217;t sound like dorkitude to me! That sounds like the start of a fine young entrepreneur, one who some day will be a rich old entrepreneur. </p>
<p>@ frugalscholar: I wish! M&#8217;hijito and his roommate actually started to paint the house. Then they discovered that painting a house is&#8230;well, <i>work</i>. They also decided they didn&#8217;t like the color. So the back porch has been San Francisco Bay Bridge Red for the past two years, the front windows have had unpainted white caulking gracing the mullions, and the decrepit paint everywhere else has grown steadily more decrepit. </p>
<p>The neighborhood is not going to turn around and we are not going to get rightside-up again if properties deteriorate. Even the place on the corner that&#8217;s been in foreclosure three times since we bought our house is decently maintained. Most of the houses are adequately cared for, with just a couple of exceptions. One of the exceptions has been our place. It was a wreck when we bought it; we&#8217;ve managed to renovate the interior, and now we need to make it look at least acceptable on the outside. I figure I&#8217;d better get as much done as we can while I still have an income, because once I&#8217;m &#8220;retired,&#8221; there won&#8217;t be any money for upgrades to that place. </p>
<p>M&#8217;hijito is paying half the bill for the painter and the locksmith. That will allow me to pay my part out of cash flow. What we&#8217;re going to do about the landscaping remains to be seen&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: frugalscholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>frugalscholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok--I will be a party pooper. First of all, your son can earn a fantastic tax-free wage by painting the house himself. My husband does this--a little section at a time. You don&#039;t need to do it when it&#039;s 109 degrees!

Of course, you may want to support your local painter.

Also, your local painter has many tax breaks and it is unlikely that he pays 40% in taxes. The contractors and painters of my acquaintance have so many tax deductions that, even though they seem to make a lot more than I do, their kids qualify for Pell grants! My kitchen contractor told me that he pays almost nothing in taxes on a pretty good income. Self-employed people have many tax breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8211;I will be a party pooper. First of all, your son can earn a fantastic tax-free wage by painting the house himself. My husband does this&#8211;a little section at a time. You don&#8217;t need to do it when it&#8217;s 109 degrees!</p>
<p>Of course, you may want to support your local painter.</p>
<p>Also, your local painter has many tax breaks and it is unlikely that he pays 40% in taxes. The contractors and painters of my acquaintance have so many tax deductions that, even though they seem to make a lot more than I do, their kids qualify for Pell grants! My kitchen contractor told me that he pays almost nothing in taxes on a pretty good income. Self-employed people have many tax breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, thank you.  I&#039;ve been known to gripe about how I should have skipped the B.A. all together and just become an electrician or a carpenter.  I try to stay mindful and be grateful for my quite cushy white collar job but sometimes I need a push :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, thank you.  I&#8217;ve been known to gripe about how I should have skipped the B.A. all together and just become an electrician or a carpenter.  I try to stay mindful and be grateful for my quite cushy white collar job but sometimes I need a push <img src='http://funny-about-money.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MLR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually painted houses to pay my way through college.

$200 in paint on a $1,000 job is a bit high.

On a $1,000 job my breakdown was usually:

--$120 paint &amp; other materials (rags, new scraper blades, caulk, glaze, drop sheets, sandpaper, gas for power washer, etc)
--$30 marketing expenses (paying people to go door to door, discounts for booking on day of estimate, etc)
--$50 misc expenses
--$400 labor (including taxes, workers comp, insurance, etc, about $220 of it actually goes to the painters)
--$400 profit

A $1,000 paint job would take one day. Pretty much $1,000 = 20 labor hours, which is done in one 10 hour day with a 2 man crew.

A lot of jobs I just booked and hired people and would just get the profit. Some jobs I would hire myself as a painter in order to get more money.

If you want to estimate paint usage, I generally charged about:
--1 gallon for every 100-200 sq ft of siding (depends on material, cedar shake, paneled, and how dry it is)
--1 gallon for every 80 feet of decorative eaves
--1 gallon for every 20 shutters
There are lots of contributing factors.

Man, I am a dork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually painted houses to pay my way through college.</p>
<p>$200 in paint on a $1,000 job is a bit high.</p>
<p>On a $1,000 job my breakdown was usually:</p>
<p>&#8211;$120 paint &amp; other materials (rags, new scraper blades, caulk, glaze, drop sheets, sandpaper, gas for power washer, etc)<br />
&#8211;$30 marketing expenses (paying people to go door to door, discounts for booking on day of estimate, etc)<br />
&#8211;$50 misc expenses<br />
&#8211;$400 labor (including taxes, workers comp, insurance, etc, about $220 of it actually goes to the painters)<br />
&#8211;$400 profit</p>
<p>A $1,000 paint job would take one day. Pretty much $1,000 = 20 labor hours, which is done in one 10 hour day with a 2 man crew.</p>
<p>A lot of jobs I just booked and hired people and would just get the profit. Some jobs I would hire myself as a painter in order to get more money.</p>
<p>If you want to estimate paint usage, I generally charged about:<br />
&#8211;1 gallon for every 100-200 sq ft of siding (depends on material, cedar shake, paneled, and how dry it is)<br />
&#8211;1 gallon for every 80 feet of decorative eaves<br />
&#8211;1 gallon for every 20 shutters<br />
There are lots of contributing factors.</p>
<p>Man, I am a dork.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 12:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the early starts and late finishes so you can stay our of the sun and make sure your paint doesn&#039;t dry before you&#039;ve got to the next patch... which makes life more difficult. 

(Speaking as the woman that still has to borrow stepladders to finish the &quot;over the sink&quot; area of the kitchen...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the early starts and late finishes so you can stay our of the sun and make sure your paint doesn&#8217;t dry before you&#8217;ve got to the next patch&#8230; which makes life more difficult. </p>
<p>(Speaking as the woman that still has to borrow stepladders to finish the &#8220;over the sink&#8221; area of the kitchen&#8230;)</p>
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