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		<title>By: funny</title>
		<link>http://funny-about-money.com/2009/12/03/when-giving-goes-awry/comment-page-1/#comment-21011</link>
		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that whole idea that a person who choose not to give to X or Y cause is looking for &quot;an excuse&quot;: &lt;em&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; what I object to. It&#039;s aggressive. It&#039;s accusatory. It says there&#039;s something wrong with those who choose to direct their funds in ways other than the way the speaker thinks is appropriate. That kind of rhetoric makes me dig my heels into the sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that whole idea that a person who choose not to give to X or Y cause is looking for &#8220;an excuse&#8221;: <em>that&#8217;s</em> what I object to. It&#8217;s aggressive. It&#8217;s accusatory. It says there&#8217;s something wrong with those who choose to direct their funds in ways other than the way the speaker thinks is appropriate. That kind of rhetoric makes me dig my heels into the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Broke by Choice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broke by Choice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be an excuse for who we do or do not give to or why we give or do not give. I give of my time, stuff and money where and when I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be an excuse for who we do or do not give to or why we give or do not give. I give of my time, stuff and money where and when I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance #234 : Carnival of Personal Finance</title>
		<link>http://funny-about-money.com/2009/12/03/when-giving-goes-awry/comment-page-1/#comment-20973</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Personal Finance #234 : Carnival of Personal Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finance The Personal Financier: The dangers of excessive frugality and budgeting Funny About Money: When Giving Goes Awry Modern Gal: When Good Debt is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance #234 &#8211; Weirdest Toy Crazes Edition &#124; Suburban Dollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Personal Finance #234 &#8211; Weirdest Toy Crazes Edition &#124; Suburban Dollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Funny About Money highlights when charitable giving goes awry. I personally don&#8217;t donate much money, when I do it is usually to the local Salvation Army or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Revanche</title>
		<link>http://funny-about-money.com/2009/12/03/when-giving-goes-awry/comment-page-1/#comment-20843</link>
		<dc:creator>Revanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for clarity&#039;s sake, I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that 1) you were in the wrong with your perspective, or 2) you don&#039;t give.  

I value time more than money, and I know you do donate your time.  I don&#039;t at all disagree with this statement: 

&quot;But the fact is that when your assets are limited and you have a family, your first concern should be to benefit your own, not an institution that disburses your money in ways over which you have no control.&quot; 

That&#039;s pretty much the basis on how I choose to give or not to give -- whether or not my family has been taken care of.   

I suppose I consider my divergence a slight one: I know that I&#039;m perpetually concerned about the long term and forget that sometimes a small donation of money to a specific area could make a bigger difference to the recipient than it takes away from me as a giver. For instance, treating a broke friend to lunch, or making a small donation to a grassroots cause I believe in.  I&#039;m ok with doing that because in the long run, I&#039;m just taking that from money I would have spent on myself, I wouldn&#039;t touch money that&#039;s been set aside to take care of my parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for clarity&#8217;s sake, I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that 1) you were in the wrong with your perspective, or 2) you don&#8217;t give.  </p>
<p>I value time more than money, and I know you do donate your time.  I don&#8217;t at all disagree with this statement: </p>
<p>&#8220;But the fact is that when your assets are limited and you have a family, your first concern should be to benefit your own, not an institution that disburses your money in ways over which you have no control.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much the basis on how I choose to give or not to give &#8212; whether or not my family has been taken care of.   </p>
<p>I suppose I consider my divergence a slight one: I know that I&#8217;m perpetually concerned about the long term and forget that sometimes a small donation of money to a specific area could make a bigger difference to the recipient than it takes away from me as a giver. For instance, treating a broke friend to lunch, or making a small donation to a grassroots cause I believe in.  I&#8217;m ok with doing that because in the long run, I&#8217;m just taking that from money I would have spent on myself, I wouldn&#8217;t touch money that&#8217;s been set aside to take care of my parents.</p>
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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About churches and money: While I was serving on my church&#039;s search committee for a new rector, one coreligionist remarked that people who were not giving money to the church should not be members of the church at all.

Is that extreme? Maybe. But he appeared not to be alone in that thinking. Although his comment was allowed to drop, I had the distinct impression a number of folks agreed with him.

Listen to sermons during fund-raising time. Invariably you will hear that &#039;tis harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. The spin: Jesus told his followers to divest themselves of their wealth and give it to the poor (i.e., to the church), for this exemplary behavior will save us in the afterlife.

These are not extremist Bible-pounders. These are ordinary Episcopalians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About churches and money: While I was serving on my church&#8217;s search committee for a new rector, one coreligionist remarked that people who were not giving money to the church should not be members of the church at all.</p>
<p>Is that extreme? Maybe. But he appeared not to be alone in that thinking. Although his comment was allowed to drop, I had the distinct impression a number of folks agreed with him.</p>
<p>Listen to sermons during fund-raising time. Invariably you will hear that &#8217;tis harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. The spin: Jesus told his followers to divest themselves of their wealth and give it to the poor (i.e., to the church), for this exemplary behavior will save us in the afterlife.</p>
<p>These are not extremist Bible-pounders. These are ordinary Episcopalians.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucksome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucksome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the stories here are extreme examples.  The thinking that ALL religous organizations require congregants to give more money than they can comfortably give or hold the threat of not going to heaven over their heads is wrong.  That bad experience prejudiced your family against all religous organizations.

It&#039;s important for church members to support the church with time, talent and gifts (financial and otherwise) but not to their own detriment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the stories here are extreme examples.  The thinking that ALL religous organizations require congregants to give more money than they can comfortably give or hold the threat of not going to heaven over their heads is wrong.  That bad experience prejudiced your family against all religous organizations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important for church members to support the church with time, talent and gifts (financial and otherwise) but not to their own detriment.</p>
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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Marianne O: My goodness, that is quite a story! What d&#039;you suppose gets into people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Marianne O: My goodness, that is quite a story! What d&#8217;you suppose gets into people?</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the story about the widow will make more sense if I explain that her son had been killed in WWII, and she wanted to dedicate the window to his memory.  She was willing to give up most of her savings so that he would have what she saw as a fitting memorial as well as an asset to the church.  

But other families insisted that the window should honour their sons who died in WWII as well -- which would have been FINE, except that they weren&#039;t willing to chip in any money to help pay for it.  The final options were: (a) the widow pays 100% of the cost of the window, and all the sons&#039; names were on it; or (b) no window.  She paid.

Anyway, I was trying to say that we can&#039;t afford to respond to widespread ugliness by closing our eyes &amp; missing those flashes of compassion and fellowship that make life worthwhile.  I feel very lucky to have found a couple of communities that fit that bill.  Sounds like some of you have as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the story about the widow will make more sense if I explain that her son had been killed in WWII, and she wanted to dedicate the window to his memory.  She was willing to give up most of her savings so that he would have what she saw as a fitting memorial as well as an asset to the church.  </p>
<p>But other families insisted that the window should honour their sons who died in WWII as well &#8212; which would have been FINE, except that they weren&#8217;t willing to chip in any money to help pay for it.  The final options were: (a) the widow pays 100% of the cost of the window, and all the sons&#8217; names were on it; or (b) no window.  She paid.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was trying to say that we can&#8217;t afford to respond to widespread ugliness by closing our eyes &amp; missing those flashes of compassion and fellowship that make life worthwhile.  I feel very lucky to have found a couple of communities that fit that bill.  Sounds like some of you have as well.</p>
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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be going too far to say I don&#039;t donate to any causes whatsoever. Certainly I give to Goodwill and St. Vincent&#039;s, though most of the time I use things up and wear them out, so there&#039;s not much left to give. 

And I do donate to NPR and to causes like Andrea&#039;s Closet. I have been known to give an entire paycheck to Planned Parenthood, and I sent cash whenever I could to the Obama campaign.

I just happen to think that donating to religious organizations is somewhat questionable, especially given the kind of social pressure that is brought to bear on parishioners. When a group tries to make you feel you&#039;re not going to heaven unless you divest yourself of your wealth by giving it to the group (nevermind how you&#039;re going to put food on the table in your old age), something is wrong. Unfortunately, that&#039;s the standard fund-raising MO in too many churches that I&#039;ve been in.

Then there&#039;s the &quot;you don&#039;t really care about us unless you give us money&quot; approach. This one manifests itself when the sermon takes the tack that it doesn&#039;t really matter how much you pledge; even a small amount will prove your commitment to the church. 

And the &quot;you can&#039;t be part of this group unless you tithe&quot; line: how Christian is that, really?

If these were commercial entities, Consumer Reports would be all over them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be going too far to say I don&#8217;t donate to any causes whatsoever. Certainly I give to Goodwill and St. Vincent&#8217;s, though most of the time I use things up and wear them out, so there&#8217;s not much left to give. </p>
<p>And I do donate to NPR and to causes like Andrea&#8217;s Closet. I have been known to give an entire paycheck to Planned Parenthood, and I sent cash whenever I could to the Obama campaign.</p>
<p>I just happen to think that donating to religious organizations is somewhat questionable, especially given the kind of social pressure that is brought to bear on parishioners. When a group tries to make you feel you&#8217;re not going to heaven unless you divest yourself of your wealth by giving it to the group (nevermind how you&#8217;re going to put food on the table in your old age), something is wrong. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s the standard fund-raising MO in too many churches that I&#8217;ve been in.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the &#8220;you don&#8217;t really care about us unless you give us money&#8221; approach. This one manifests itself when the sermon takes the tack that it doesn&#8217;t really matter how much you pledge; even a small amount will prove your commitment to the church. </p>
<p>And the &#8220;you can&#8217;t be part of this group unless you tithe&#8221; line: how Christian is that, really?</p>
<p>If these were commercial entities, Consumer Reports would be all over them!</p>
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