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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Confused:  I didn&#039;t hate it for 26 years, nor did I spend all of those 26 years in continuous service, nor were all of those 26 years spent in full-time positions. 

When I began working toward a Ph.D., academic jobs were plentiful, and I was single and could go anywhere. By the time I finished the degree, academic work had dried up -- the drought lasted for the rest of my adult life -- and I was married to a man who had established a law practice with one of the most prestigious firms in the Southwest. As a young man he earned more than I could ever hope to make at the top of my earning capacity. To marry him, I left the UofA, changed majors, and pursued graduate degrees in a different subject at ASU, which did not have adequate graduate programs in the subject of my undergraduate major. 

ASU does not hire its graduates. This closed off a tenure-track career in higher education for me. After having been exploited for several years as a teaching assistant, made to teach freshman comp classes with virtually no guidance and under absurd conditions, I did not look upon a future of teaching freshman comp in junior colleges with joy. So I drifted into journalism. That&#039;s how I became a widely published writer.

Twenty-five years later the marriage ended. Because I was probably the only trade-book and magazine writer in the state who also had a Ph.D., I lucked into a position that came open on ASU&#039;s West campus. Little did I know that campus would become the current president&#039;s red-headed stepchild, nor did it matter, because I had to make a living and I didn&#039;t relish the prospect of waiting tables, which was the direction I was headed. Teaching at West was great -- I loved the job. But over time politics and the administration&#039;s desire to crush the faculty on the West campus so demoralized staff and faculty there that it became a very bad place to work. Most faculty would come to campus long enough to teach their classes and attend faculty meetings and then would leave. 

Again I lucked into another position, this one a quasi-administrative job on the Main campus. Again, it was great -- in fact, it was a dream job. Again, largely because of the administration&#039;s failings in the leadership department, matters unraveled. By the end of my tenure there, friends were leaving for other jobs or retiring early just to get out of the place. Those who were left behind worked in a state of profound demoralization. 

What benefit was I getting in return for staying there, despite the overall misery and a commute that made me sick with stress? Money. I needed to support myself. 

Money was the sole reason that, in the final phase of my employment there, I stayed for 15 continuous years. Believe me, I tried to get jobs elsewhere. For the past seven or eight years of my tenure at ASU, I was on the job market. The job market for Ph.D.s in the humanities has &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; been comparable to the job market for all the rest of Americans today, as the country&#039;s economy teeters on the edge of depression. I got &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; offer for a tenure-track position. It would have required me to move across the country, take up residence in the deep South, and accept a $10,000 cut in pay. None of those was an attractive option. I got three interviews with the community college system. One of those jobs was taken off the market when a faction of the college&#039;s faculty decided the job description should be rewritten, in mid-search, to make it a minority hire. One job opening attracted 300 applicants, some of whom were recent graduates of Ivy Leagues. My chances under those circumstances were nil.

The truth is, I have an entrepreneurial cast of mind. I like to come in, start a program or initiative, get it running, oversee it for a few years, and move on. I was hired at West to found and direct a writing program. After working that job for a few years, it began to taste like old chewing gum. Then I was hired to found a direct an editorial operation unique in North America. That enterprise also was exciting and pleasing; after a few years, I was ready to move on to another challenge. 

And right now the challenge is surviving on next to nothing. ;-) Never a dull moment, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Confused:  I didn&#8217;t hate it for 26 years, nor did I spend all of those 26 years in continuous service, nor were all of those 26 years spent in full-time positions. </p>
<p>When I began working toward a Ph.D., academic jobs were plentiful, and I was single and could go anywhere. By the time I finished the degree, academic work had dried up &#8212; the drought lasted for the rest of my adult life &#8212; and I was married to a man who had established a law practice with one of the most prestigious firms in the Southwest. As a young man he earned more than I could ever hope to make at the top of my earning capacity. To marry him, I left the UofA, changed majors, and pursued graduate degrees in a different subject at ASU, which did not have adequate graduate programs in the subject of my undergraduate major. </p>
<p>ASU does not hire its graduates. This closed off a tenure-track career in higher education for me. After having been exploited for several years as a teaching assistant, made to teach freshman comp classes with virtually no guidance and under absurd conditions, I did not look upon a future of teaching freshman comp in junior colleges with joy. So I drifted into journalism. That&#8217;s how I became a widely published writer.</p>
<p>Twenty-five years later the marriage ended. Because I was probably the only trade-book and magazine writer in the state who also had a Ph.D., I lucked into a position that came open on ASU&#8217;s West campus. Little did I know that campus would become the current president&#8217;s red-headed stepchild, nor did it matter, because I had to make a living and I didn&#8217;t relish the prospect of waiting tables, which was the direction I was headed. Teaching at West was great &#8212; I loved the job. But over time politics and the administration&#8217;s desire to crush the faculty on the West campus so demoralized staff and faculty there that it became a very bad place to work. Most faculty would come to campus long enough to teach their classes and attend faculty meetings and then would leave. </p>
<p>Again I lucked into another position, this one a quasi-administrative job on the Main campus. Again, it was great &#8212; in fact, it was a dream job. Again, largely because of the administration&#8217;s failings in the leadership department, matters unraveled. By the end of my tenure there, friends were leaving for other jobs or retiring early just to get out of the place. Those who were left behind worked in a state of profound demoralization. </p>
<p>What benefit was I getting in return for staying there, despite the overall misery and a commute that made me sick with stress? Money. I needed to support myself. </p>
<p>Money was the sole reason that, in the final phase of my employment there, I stayed for 15 continuous years. Believe me, I tried to get jobs elsewhere. For the past seven or eight years of my tenure at ASU, I was on the job market. The job market for Ph.D.s in the humanities has <em>always</em> been comparable to the job market for all the rest of Americans today, as the country&#8217;s economy teeters on the edge of depression. I got <em>one</em> offer for a tenure-track position. It would have required me to move across the country, take up residence in the deep South, and accept a $10,000 cut in pay. None of those was an attractive option. I got three interviews with the community college system. One of those jobs was taken off the market when a faction of the college&#8217;s faculty decided the job description should be rewritten, in mid-search, to make it a minority hire. One job opening attracted 300 applicants, some of whom were recent graduates of Ivy Leagues. My chances under those circumstances were nil.</p>
<p>The truth is, I have an entrepreneurial cast of mind. I like to come in, start a program or initiative, get it running, oversee it for a few years, and move on. I was hired at West to found and direct a writing program. After working that job for a few years, it began to taste like old chewing gum. Then I was hired to found a direct an editorial operation unique in North America. That enterprise also was exciting and pleasing; after a few years, I was ready to move on to another challenge. </p>
<p>And right now the challenge is surviving on next to nothing. <img src='http://funny-about-money.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Never a dull moment, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you spent 26 years in a place that you, apparently, despise.  Exactly who&#039;s fault is that?  I&#039;m not trying to be completely critical.  I spent 4 1/2 years working for a company I grew to hate before I left.  But, it seems like you must have been getting something beneficial in return to spend 26 years in a place that you hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you spent 26 years in a place that you, apparently, despise.  Exactly who&#8217;s fault is that?  I&#8217;m not trying to be completely critical.  I spent 4 1/2 years working for a company I grew to hate before I left.  But, it seems like you must have been getting something beneficial in return to spend 26 years in a place that you hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Beagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Beagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see that you are finally free of the place that caused so much angst and unhappiness.  However, don&#039;t bite the hand that fed you for, what sounds like, quite a few years.  While you may have been unhappy about a lot bueracratic things that seemed unfair and while it seemed like a lot of money was probably being wasted on buildings and things that could have been better spent elsewhere, keep in mind that this is pretty much the case everywhere.  I&#039;ve worked for companies that have been described as &#039;mom and pop&#039;, companies that are in the top five in their industry, and in between, and what I&#039;ve learned is that the bureaucracy and waste and bad decisions (and of course the politics) happen at each and every one.  

Also, the overbuilding is something you seemed to get pretty deep into.  While there was probably a lot of it going on, keep other things in mind.  First, colleges everywhere have spent the last 10-15 years building new buildings.  If ASU didn&#039;t, their facilities would be seen as inferior, and would probably negatively influence the perception of the quality of education.  Second, the last big building spree in colleges took place, from what I can tell, in the 1960&#039;s.  Thirty to forty years later, many of those buildings are showing signs of age, of being cramped, outdated, or not able to serve the same function that they did back then.  

I&#039;m not saying that I defend everything that ASU has done, because I really don&#039;t know enough about it.  All I&#039;m saying is that your perception behind your desk was probably different than a lot of people who made those decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that you are finally free of the place that caused so much angst and unhappiness.  However, don&#8217;t bite the hand that fed you for, what sounds like, quite a few years.  While you may have been unhappy about a lot bueracratic things that seemed unfair and while it seemed like a lot of money was probably being wasted on buildings and things that could have been better spent elsewhere, keep in mind that this is pretty much the case everywhere.  I&#8217;ve worked for companies that have been described as &#8216;mom and pop&#8217;, companies that are in the top five in their industry, and in between, and what I&#8217;ve learned is that the bureaucracy and waste and bad decisions (and of course the politics) happen at each and every one.  </p>
<p>Also, the overbuilding is something you seemed to get pretty deep into.  While there was probably a lot of it going on, keep other things in mind.  First, colleges everywhere have spent the last 10-15 years building new buildings.  If ASU didn&#8217;t, their facilities would be seen as inferior, and would probably negatively influence the perception of the quality of education.  Second, the last big building spree in colleges took place, from what I can tell, in the 1960&#8242;s.  Thirty to forty years later, many of those buildings are showing signs of age, of being cramped, outdated, or not able to serve the same function that they did back then.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that I defend everything that ASU has done, because I really don&#8217;t know enough about it.  All I&#8217;m saying is that your perception behind your desk was probably different than a lot of people who made those decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That outdoes me: When I was working on my dissertation I lived in a flat in a 17th-century building in London. Other than being incredibly cold and a firetrap (the only stairs were made of wood, and we were on the third floor--i.e., the second storey, in the Queen&#039;s English), it was a nice building. The landlady&#039;s flat was gorgeous.

&quot;Gorgeous&quot; is not a term that fits anything I&#039;ve ever seen in Tempe, although surely there must be something that&#039;s not too hideous. Somewhere. 

American residential structures in general are rarely built for the ages. You have to wonder what developers and city leaders think is going to happen as square mile upon square mile upon square mile of shoddily built construction starts to fall apart. In our parts, this process starts about 20 years after a tract is built out (some of the newer houses are already falling apart). If you&#039;ve ever driven through some of the maturing tracts around here, you&#039;ll see the standard sticks-and-stucco building does not hold up well over time. A ten-year-old house is considered &quot;old,&quot; and anything that&#039;s upwards of twenty years old looks tired and sick. What we created, in blading the irreplaceable Sonoran desert at the rate of an acre an hour over the past few years, is vast tracts of instant slum. I guess they figure white flight will continue to spread outward forever, leaving an increasingly huge (increasingly dangerous) underclass to occupy an infinitely sprawling &quot;inner city&quot; of worn-out ticky-tacky, elbow-to-elbow junk houses.

It is indeed to some extent The Place&#039;s fault, in that The Place embodies the leadership and the greedy corporate interests that designed and built it. The entire Phoenix metropolitan area looks as if our city fathers (and mothers!) studied everything Southern California did wrong and then set out to do that.

Which, truth to tell, is exactly what they did.

Tempe&#039;s downtown is phony. It is, at least, an effort to improve what was a tumble-down wreck, but the effort pushed out the city&#039;s few real commercial assets. They tore down a historic district (admittedly, a very UGLY historic district) to replace it with fake brick, faux warehouse-style buildings, and they actively invited chain retailers to invade the area. 

The result was that when a much ballyhooed Borders moved in, one of the country&#039;s best independent bookstores was forced to close. Actually, it moved to another part of Tempe, too far to walk from the campus...thereby causing the faculty and students who loved and patronized the store to get in their cars and spew out some more smog. Good for business: put more miles on your car and you&#039;ll have to buy a new car sooner, eh? Most people associated with the campus resented this so  much they refused to shop at the Borders, which was just another clone. 

A dim old bar was ripped out, one where many an alcoholic English professor used to hold forth to graduate students. One aging lush, a decrepit, once nationally famed Yeats scholar who crawled into Tempe to die, used to conduct his seminars there.

You can&#039;t conduct a Yeats seminar in a Starbucks, or in any of the other glass-and-plastic chain restaurants that now characterize &quot;downtown&quot; Tempe. I use the scare quotes advisedly. There&#039;s no such thing as a downtown in these assembly-line suburbs. Commerce exists in an agglomeration of malls. The faux-warehouse area is now just another mall full of clone shopping. You could have the same strolling experience at Scottsdale Fashion Square, Kierland Commons, or Biltmore Fashion Square. They&#039;re all the same. Except that Scottsdale, Kierland, and the Biltmore don&#039;t pretend to be what they&#039;re not. Well...Kierland Commons does, but not with a very straight face.

Ah yes...the cockroachs. I remember them well: my little room-mates. They live in the palm trees and move in with the humans when they notice the humans have food in their nests. Since no amount of poisoning yourself, your pets, and the immediate environment will get rid of them, you end up having to go with the flow and make pets out of them. Mine used to do acrobatics in the kitchen: they could flip off the wall cabinets and do a little somersault in the air on the way down to the counter. Cute!

Meth heads, on the other hand, do not make desirable pets. Like wolverines, they can&#039;t be domesticated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That outdoes me: When I was working on my dissertation I lived in a flat in a 17th-century building in London. Other than being incredibly cold and a firetrap (the only stairs were made of wood, and we were on the third floor&#8211;i.e., the second storey, in the Queen&#8217;s English), it was a nice building. The landlady&#8217;s flat was gorgeous.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gorgeous&#8221; is not a term that fits anything I&#8217;ve ever seen in Tempe, although surely there must be something that&#8217;s not too hideous. Somewhere. </p>
<p>American residential structures in general are rarely built for the ages. You have to wonder what developers and city leaders think is going to happen as square mile upon square mile upon square mile of shoddily built construction starts to fall apart. In our parts, this process starts about 20 years after a tract is built out (some of the newer houses are already falling apart). If you&#8217;ve ever driven through some of the maturing tracts around here, you&#8217;ll see the standard sticks-and-stucco building does not hold up well over time. A ten-year-old house is considered &#8220;old,&#8221; and anything that&#8217;s upwards of twenty years old looks tired and sick. What we created, in blading the irreplaceable Sonoran desert at the rate of an acre an hour over the past few years, is vast tracts of instant slum. I guess they figure white flight will continue to spread outward forever, leaving an increasingly huge (increasingly dangerous) underclass to occupy an infinitely sprawling &#8220;inner city&#8221; of worn-out ticky-tacky, elbow-to-elbow junk houses.</p>
<p>It is indeed to some extent The Place&#8217;s fault, in that The Place embodies the leadership and the greedy corporate interests that designed and built it. The entire Phoenix metropolitan area looks as if our city fathers (and mothers!) studied everything Southern California did wrong and then set out to do that.</p>
<p>Which, truth to tell, is exactly what they did.</p>
<p>Tempe&#8217;s downtown is phony. It is, at least, an effort to improve what was a tumble-down wreck, but the effort pushed out the city&#8217;s few real commercial assets. They tore down a historic district (admittedly, a very UGLY historic district) to replace it with fake brick, faux warehouse-style buildings, and they actively invited chain retailers to invade the area. </p>
<p>The result was that when a much ballyhooed Borders moved in, one of the country&#8217;s best independent bookstores was forced to close. Actually, it moved to another part of Tempe, too far to walk from the campus&#8230;thereby causing the faculty and students who loved and patronized the store to get in their cars and spew out some more smog. Good for business: put more miles on your car and you&#8217;ll have to buy a new car sooner, eh? Most people associated with the campus resented this so  much they refused to shop at the Borders, which was just another clone. </p>
<p>A dim old bar was ripped out, one where many an alcoholic English professor used to hold forth to graduate students. One aging lush, a decrepit, once nationally famed Yeats scholar who crawled into Tempe to die, used to conduct his seminars there.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t conduct a Yeats seminar in a Starbucks, or in any of the other glass-and-plastic chain restaurants that now characterize &#8220;downtown&#8221; Tempe. I use the scare quotes advisedly. There&#8217;s no such thing as a downtown in these assembly-line suburbs. Commerce exists in an agglomeration of malls. The faux-warehouse area is now just another mall full of clone shopping. You could have the same strolling experience at Scottsdale Fashion Square, Kierland Commons, or Biltmore Fashion Square. They&#8217;re all the same. Except that Scottsdale, Kierland, and the Biltmore don&#8217;t pretend to be what they&#8217;re not. Well&#8230;Kierland Commons does, but not with a very straight face.</p>
<p>Ah yes&#8230;the cockroachs. I remember them well: my little room-mates. They live in the palm trees and move in with the humans when they notice the humans have food in their nests. Since no amount of poisoning yourself, your pets, and the immediate environment will get rid of them, you end up having to go with the flow and make pets out of them. Mine used to do acrobatics in the kitchen: they could flip off the wall cabinets and do a little somersault in the air on the way down to the counter. Cute!</p>
<p>Meth heads, on the other hand, do not make desirable pets. Like wolverines, they can&#8217;t be domesticated.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Thrifty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Thrifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but I liked living round the corner from ASU! While I do not retain any particular affection for my old abode - a shoebox-sized apartment in a grotty complex infested with meth heads and giant roaches - I think you&#039;re being a tad harsh on Tempe.

Perhaps it&#039;s something to do with being British; to put it into context, I&#039;m currently writing this from a place that was granted its city charter in 924AD. Phoenix/the surrounding area has expanded so rapidly, and I was discomfited by being somewhere that was all so shiny and new and temporary-looking. Personally I found all those &quot;old&quot; 50s and 60s homes to be quite charming next to the packed grids of identikit mini-mansions that seem to cover so much of the rest of the place. I also like strolling places, so downtown suited me.

Maybe it is Not The Place&#039;s Fault. I think you&#039;re best off out of ASU, though - hurrah, hurrah, hurrah for escaping! Hope 2010 continues for you as it has begun: fresh, exciting and filled with promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but I liked living round the corner from ASU! While I do not retain any particular affection for my old abode &#8211; a shoebox-sized apartment in a grotty complex infested with meth heads and giant roaches &#8211; I think you&#8217;re being a tad harsh on Tempe.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s something to do with being British; to put it into context, I&#8217;m currently writing this from a place that was granted its city charter in 924AD. Phoenix/the surrounding area has expanded so rapidly, and I was discomfited by being somewhere that was all so shiny and new and temporary-looking. Personally I found all those &#8220;old&#8221; 50s and 60s homes to be quite charming next to the packed grids of identikit mini-mansions that seem to cover so much of the rest of the place. I also like strolling places, so downtown suited me.</p>
<p>Maybe it is Not The Place&#8217;s Fault. I think you&#8217;re best off out of ASU, though &#8211; hurrah, hurrah, hurrah for escaping! Hope 2010 continues for you as it has begun: fresh, exciting and filled with promise.</p>
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		<title>By: SimplyForties</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimplyForties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you&#039;re glad to be leaving!  On to the next adventure!</description>
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